Getting tubes in the hearing aids

Also I forgot whether your hearing aids were professionally fit? They were not professionally fit, right? If they were, then hopefully your first step was to save the original professional settings as your very first fitting session (without making any adjustments).
 
Okay, you purchased Naída M70's online and your are trying to self fit from either your Audiogram or from in-Situ.

Your hearing loss is profound. I don't know how to fit such a profound loss (especially your Left Ear)? I am not a professional!
Though, a couple of fitting methods come to mind;
  • Using Sound Recover 2 to shift the high frequencies to lower frequencies?
  • Using CROS fitting that sends all sound that arrive at your Left Ear to your Right Ear?
Tell us about your Audiogram that you entered into Phonak Target? Does the (Red o's and Blue x's) look like the image below? Note that I turned on the extra Audiogram images of (Speech Banana and Pictograms) to show the (frequencies and decibels) where these sounds are typically heard.

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pvc said:
Does the (Red o's and Blue x's) look like the image below?
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Yes it does. I saw it on the other forum.

I don't know if this will translate well into your native language?

Hearing aids use multiple microphones to receive the full range of input sounds which you may or may not have the ability to hear, and then use a process named Wide Dynamic Range Compression (WDRC) to compress and amplify that full range of input sounds into a (compressed-and-amplified) output range where you do have the ability to hear.

Here's an image below to show how that works:
  • full range of input sounds on the left
  • compressed and amplified output sounds on the right
However, your hearing loss is profound and therefore, there is no place to insert the compressed output range on your Left Ear.

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Hmm, now I'm confused and it seems I'm totally messed up regarding idioms and jargon!

I made that test!! And I went through most of the steps shown in the fitting section in my first fitting session.

I made a new session as you recommended and named it my audiology. I can't exactly recall the steps I made but I used my audiogram instead of AudiogramDirect, and the speech sounded somewhat better.

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Another thing regarding the left HA, the MPO exceeds dB.

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Feedback test (simply put) just stops your hearing aid from making that (common microphone/speaker) squealing feedback loop sound.

Professional REM/Real Ear Measurement uses expensive equipment with probes placed next to your eardrums;
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Zeeza said:
I used my audiogram instead of AudiogramDirect, and the speech sounded somewhat better.
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By the way, your left-ear audiogram at 6K and 8K is No-Response. When you enter your Audiogram I believe that your can use a right-mouse-button click to enter No-Response.

For your lower frequencies (250=100 and 500=95) did Phonak Target modify these, or did you enter them wrong?
 
Professional best practice (REM/Real Ear Measurement) is about precision. It verifies that the RX/Prescription created by the fitting software is the same when the sound reaches your eardrum. Why? Because the RX/Prescription is not always the same (at your eardrum) because people have different shaped ear canals.

But in your case, this extra precision from (REM/Real Ear Measurement) is unimportant. Why? Because your left ear hearing loss has such a profound loss, that the original RX/Prescription is a compromise from the beginning.
 
Zeeza said:
Hmm, now I'm confused and it seems I'm totally messed up regarding idioms and jargon!

I made that test!! And I went through most of the steps shown in the fitting section in my first fitting session.

I made a new session as you recommended and named it my audiology. I can't exactly recall the steps I made but I used my audiogram instead of AudiogramDirect, and the speech sounded somewhat better.

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Another thing regarding the left HA, the MPO exceeds dB.

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I think you have some errors in AudiogramDirect, your UCL is almost the same as the AC threshold, how is this possible?
 
A word of advice, go to the Global tuning screen on the Phonak Target and select 70% target gain or 80% target gain, don't use 100% target gain, as a new user of hearing aids you will need time to take in the amplified sound, otherwise you will think all sound is noise.
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I don't see any UCL (Uncomfortable Loudness Level) in the paper audiogram linked in the Signature line??
 
@Zeeza You should search and understand the meaning of UCL and measure your real UCL with Audiogram Direct!
 
pvc said:
When you enter your Audiogram I believe that your can use a right-mouse-button click to enter No-Response.
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Thanks for the tips!

pvc said:
For your lower frequencies (250=100 and 500=95) did Phonak Target modify these, or did you enter them wrong?
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No, what is in blue is AudiogramDirect. The grey one is my audiogram which is correct.

pvc said:
Why? Because your left ear hearing loss has such a profound loss, that the original RX/Prescription is a compromise from the beginning.
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Okay, I got that my left ear is a kind of hopeless case!

menglxs said:
your UCL is almost the same as the AC threshold, how is this possible?
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I have no idea! I didn't notice it until you had mentioned it!!
menglxs said:
don't use 100% target gain, as a new user of hearing aids
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I've been wearing hearing aids for more than eight years now but yes, these are kind of new ones to me!!
menglxs said:
You should search and understand the meaning of UCL and measure your real UCL with Audiogram Direct!
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Yes, you are right! Do you know where I can start reading and educating myself on that? If you know any resources, it will be really appreciated.
 
Zeeza said:
Yes, you are right! Do you know where I can start reading and educating myself on that? If you know any resources, it will be really appreciated.
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RE: UCL (Uncomfortable Loudness Level)
During your hearing test, the audiologist plays a tone louder and louder until you find it (very uncomfortable/too loud/or-that-hurts). It is typically much louder than your hearing loss. It is typically not measured for all frequencies.

You must have somehow entered UCL by accident because it should not closely match you hearing loss??? Here's a made-up example.

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pvc said:
You must have somehow entered UCL by accident because it should not closely match you hearing loss?
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I think that was wrong because there isn't UCL for severely profound hearing loss, like mine!!
 
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